The 101-times-capped Wallaby believes that the entire board, with the Wallabies only four wins from nine this year and struggling to keep up with the other three codes in Australia, should resign.

‘Schmidt and Catt have no idea about Australian rugby’

“If we didn’t have the Lions or the World Cup in 2027 then there’d be no rugby union in Australia at all,” Campese says. “We’re in so much debt, but the board is still there. What do they say, a fish rots from the head? I could pick 10 people to replace them who would do a far better job.

“I’ve been cancelled, so the only way I can get my message across is through my own podcast, Campo: Uncut & Uncensored. There’s not one journalist in Australia who speaks to me. I was kicked off Stan [owned by Nine, the publisher of this masthead] and out the paper, so that’s why I do my podcasts. It’s because I tell the truth.

“And then there’s [head coach] Joe Schmidt. He has no idea about Australian rugby. He’s a New Zealander. He’s not interested in finding out who we are. We used to counter-attack or, at least, attack from the opposition 22. Now, we maul from the 22. That’s not Australian rugby. We used to attack! In Australia, we need to entertain to get people to watch.

“I’m not saying he’s a bad coach, but why do we have to have a New Zealand coach? We’re not New Zealanders. No one has ever coached a foreign team to a Rugby World Cup victory. Eddie Jones was an assistant coach with South Africa in 2007 but look around the world now and most sides have native coaches.

“Joe Schmidt has no idea about Australian rugby. He’s a New Zealander. He’s not interested in finding out who we are.”

David Campese

“Mike Catt is coming up to coach the Waratahs. He has no idea about Australian rugby, either, he’s South African-English! Every country used to have its own unique way of playing. It’s just sad that we have to get people from other codes to coach us. That used to be what was unique about rugby; you had your own way of playing.”

But it is not all doom and gloom. Campese name-checks Antoine Dupont, Cheslin Kolbe and Levani Botia as players who are setting the world alight. Closer to this weekend’s match at Twickenham, Campese adds that he has “never seen Maro Itoje play so well” while also praising Marcus Smith and the Australian playmakers Tate McDermott and Ben Donaldson, neither of whom has managed to make the Wallabies jersey their own under Schmidt.

“England have to keep Smith on for 80 minutes, mate,” Campese says. “You can’t take him off. Why would you take one of your best players off? Let him play 80 minutes. That’s what rugby used to be about! We have trouble with [Taniela] Tupou who only ever plays 30 minutes of rugby. Let him play 80 minutes, for God’s sake.

“I have no idea about props but I know one thing: he gets injured in the first 10 minutes of a game. He only lasts 30 minutes max and he’s on a bloody lot of money. Someone should tell him to grow some balls. If you want to be someone, mate, this is your chance.

“I rate [five-eighth] Donaldson, [scrum-half] McDermott, [back-rowers] Fraser McReight and Harry Wilson. The players are there but they don’t play the combinations together. McDermott is unpredictable and instinctive, but he gives teams space. They don’t seem to put Donaldson and McDermott together.”

‘Why are we bringing league laws into our game?’

Campese does not hold back when listing his pet hates in the modern game: People looking at the big screen every five seconds; kickers going past the mark when taking penalties; chasers offside at kick-offs; referees constantly looking for try-line offences; penalty advantages lasting too long, and over-refereeing the scrums.

Then there are 50:22s, with Campese not afraid to rebel against the general positive feedback.

“That’s a rugby league law,” he says. “Why are we bringing league laws into our game? I don’t understand. I don’t like 50:22s. It’s great skill to execute, but rugby was a good game – why stuff the game around? We had great laws.”

It was under those great laws that we come full circle, with talk returning to Australia’s 1984 conquering.

“It was my first time in Europe, the weather was freezing,” Campese says. “We played some unbelievable teams and rugby – some great stadiums. The people appreciated how we played. We had a bloody good team. If you have a look at some of the rugby back then, it’s still being played today.

“I was fortunate to have some really good players around me. That team could play now – if you rolled back the years – and still win. We had Alan Jones, a great coach, Alec Evans, the assistant, Dr Syd Sugerman, Chilla Wilson, the manager. Four people. How many do they have now? No wonder the players are bloody confused.

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“The Scotland game was awesome, how we played. And that was the only Test I scored any tries in! The midweek games were amazing. That’s what rugby was about and they should bring that back.”

Campese is still keen on coaching, but bemoans how the likes of Glen and Gary Ella and himself have little cut-through today.

“A lot of kids don’t watch rugby union in Australia because they’re not winning,” he says. “And they don’t know who the players are. At the top level, the Wallabies will know the league players, but the league players won’t know the Wallabies. Knowledge, culture and history needs to be put back into the kids. If you don’t have that then you don’t know what you’re doing.”

Love or loathe him, Campese’s achievements with the Wallabies speak for themselves. So, too, his obsession with them returning to the very top of world rugby.

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